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Donald asks: I'm looking to possibly convert a commercial property of mine to LED lighting, however I have a concern that if i convert to LED, the new lighting will not be as bright, since my existing lighting is T8 34W (rated 3200 lumens) and the LED bulbs I'm looking at is only 1600 lumens. Could you speak a little about this? Would the lumens be a direct apples-apples comparison?
Hi Donald,
Thanks for your question concerning the efficacy of LED lighting versus traditional T8 fluorescent lighting.
You are absolutely spot on in your concern about the output of LED lights, measured in lumens, not being as bright as their fluorescent counterparts. In fact, the Department of Energy has been so concerned about LED manufacturer’s claims of energy efficiency that they published two fact sheets in April and May 2010 comparing LED T8 replacement lamps with traditional fluorescent T8 lamps. You can read those fact sheets here http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/publications/pdfs/ssl/t8_replacem... and here. http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/publications/pdfs/ssl/led-t8-flou...
First, let’s get some units defined for lighting measurement. Power input is measure in watts, while lighting output is measured in lumens. The actual light level (illuminance) is measured in footcandles. This is the actual amount of light reaching the work surface, measured by a light meter. Lastly, the amount of lighting output per input, that is lumens per watt, is called the efficacy.
It’s important to understand these terms, because when considering a lighting retrofit the first thing to look at is whether the current space is over illuminated. This is measured in footcandles, NOT lumens. The Illuminating Engineering Society (IES) has recommendations for light levels for specific tasks listed in its IES Lighting Handbook. It’s common to find that the existing space is over illuminated, and by simply providing lighting at the recommended IES levels can save quite a bit of energy.
Now when comparing LED T8 replacement lamps to traditional fluorescent T8 lamps, DOE has found that the efficacy (lumens per watt) of traditional fluorescent T8 lamps are higher than those of LEDs, while the installation and overall life cycle costs are much lower. According to their tests, the “median efficacy for LED T8s tested to date is 44 lumens per watt.” Traditional fluorescent T8s typically have an efficacy of about 65-70 lumens per watt. DOE goes on to say that “LEDs will have to become two to three times for efficacious than they are today” to provide an equivalent light while saving energy.
Therefore, my recommendation is that you first hire a lighting expert to analyze your space to determine the proper amount of luminance required in footcandles for the tasks to be performed in that space. Then if you feel the need to upgrade the current T8 lamps, I would look into a high performance T8 lamp or even a T5. They have higher efficacies and cost much less than LED replacement lamps. Also look at the ballasts. If the space has older magnetic ballasts, look at replacing them with newer electronic ballasts. Electronic ballasts are about 30% more efficient than their magnetic counterparts.
I do believe that there will be a time when LED lighting will become the norm, but at the moment it doesn’t appear to be the most cost effective or energy efficient option on the market.
I hope this information helps with your lighting retrofit decision! Good Luck!
Related Advice:
RE: LED Lighting uses vs. CFLs
Tue, 09/21/2010 - 12:40 — IanM (not verified)You wrote and interesting response to a question about replacing fluorescent lighting with LEDs in commercial premises.
I would add; however, that you implied that LEDs were not yet ready for all tasks. My own assessment and analysis concludes that there are many tasks where LEDs are extremely efficient and considerably more so that than their CFL or halogen equivalent. These are in downlighting and in some spotlighting tasks. I have suppliers and factories which I work with which are producing lights of much more than 50 Lm/W and which are providing long term sustained Lumens output.
The mistake is that most folk assume that they must replace a bulb/lamp with an LED lamp. In my experience if you want real usable light then use a luminaire designed for the task.
I have recently drawn up a sheet which explores this which I would be happy to send to you. My new website is going live tonight or tomorrow. Please look under COSTS for a copy of this.
Kind regards Ian Peter MacDonald www.macdonaldtait.com
LED lighting
Thu, 09/23/2010 - 11:22 — David Stewart (not verified)LED lighting is seen differently to our eyes. You can not do a direct comparison of lumen outputs. I have seen rooms converted from t8 to LED tubes. You can use a foot candles on the floor. Just make sure you get a good quality tube with a 5 year warranty. Caution - the big guys Pars are not built to last as long as they could!
The company I sell for is http://www.SeeSmartled.com Email me for information d.stewart@titanled.com
RE: LED lighting vs. CFLs
Thu, 09/23/2010 - 16:02 — Davids (not verified)LED light tubes are great. I have seen them in action at the company I went to work for recently. They are the master distributor for SeeSmart LED. You need to be careful on what brand you buy as there are tubes from China companies that will prematurely fail. SeeSmart have a 5 year warranty. For commercial buildings that convert fully can get a $0.60 per square foot tax deduction. Check your local utility for rebates. You will find that with everything factored in your only choice is to convert. You will save on your electric bill, eliminate any future hazardous waste from the mercury in florescent tubes. NO UV rays. I have a full catalog available for download at http://www.box.net/led
Author's response
Thu, 09/23/2010 - 17:49 — David M PrattMr. MacDonald
Thank you so much for your response. You are correct, there are many tasks that LED lighting work quite well for currently, such as task lighting and outdoor lighting applications like parking lots and street lighting.
I don't believe LED lighting is up to the task to replace fluorescent lamps for open office lighting just yet however, based on my reasons I stated. They're not too far off though, just give it a few years and LEDs will be the standard.
Mr. Stewart, you are correct, the foot-candle measurement at the task surface is the number that really matters when it comes to perceived brightness, and I stated that in my article. However, the output of lumens do have a direct relationship with foot-candles.
You also have to take into consideration the Color Rendering Index (CRI) and color temperature of the lighting, which I also believe fluorescent lighting is superior to LEDs.
It won't be long before LED manufacturers can adjust their attributes to match those of existing fluorescent lights. Until then, the DOE is correct to test LED lighting as compared to traditional fluorescent lights and explain their results to the public.
Best Regards,
David M. Pratt, PE, CEM, LEED AP
RE: LED Lighting Conversions
Sat, 09/25/2010 - 09:49 — GBGuruThanks Dave,
This is a popular topic. Scott just provided an answer to this as well which is interesting.
http://www.green-buildings.com/content/781617-commercial-led-lighting
Cheers,
Rob
LED lighting color temps.
Sat, 09/25/2010 - 17:05 — David Stewart (not verified)These are the color temps available from SeeSmart
Color Temperature: Warm White (2,700K‐3,200K)
Natural White (4,000K‐4,500K)
Day White (5,500K‐6,000K)
Cool White (7,000K‐7,500K)
CRI: 80
The Warm white has that slight orange color you get with a warm florescent tube.
Scott's article is very informative.
Enquiry for power LED
Sun, 09/25/2011 - 15:04 — Jibu Tom (not verified)Is it efficient to replace metal halide lamp/sodium vapour lamp with the new generation Power LED? Also let me be informed about the lumens/watt of Power LED with a comparison to other lighting system. The proposed lighting system is for Airport.
Appreciate it!
Wed, 02/29/2012 - 22:30 — Steve V (not verified)I have wondered about that myself and David’s reply was spot on, clearing up a lot of doubts that I had regarding LEDs.
Thanks so much for the clarification and sharing of the links, I really appreciate it!
http://www.radiatorshowroom.co.uk
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