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Paul asks: I built a 2200 sq ft, 2 story colonial back in 1994 neat Taunton, MA (south of Boston). We had to use an oil fired boiler as there is no natural gas lines in town. It is a hydronic system. I would like to go with a GSHP slinky loop system but it seems like I'd have to replace all my baseboards and somehow retrofit for forced air for AC or do away with baseboards and go to a ALL forced air HVAC system. Are there alternatives? From research it seems that GSHP can't develop enough heat for "old style" hydronic baseboards and the rework for ductwork is time consuming and expensive. Are there any websites devoted to retrofitting older homes with these types of issues?
Hi Paul, this is a good question. Based on my experience, my initial reaction is that there are a lot of system types you could be pursuing.
First, you have to decide if you’re keeping the oil fired boiler in service (or replacing with a new one). Since you don’t have access to natural gas, your only other heating option is obviously electric resistance.
I’m focusing on the heating issue first, because in most residential applications with cold climates, occupants prefer to include a reheat capability with a geothermal, or even air source, heat pump system. This is due to the fact that air discharge temperature from a heat pump is typically much lower than that off a traditional heating system such as a gas furnace at 120°F. On a cold day, a heat pump might comparatively be supplying air at 90°F, which would no doubt heat and space, but feels ‘cool’ to the touch, since our body temperatures run higher than that. So unlike a furnace, which would put out a lot of heat for a short period of time, a heat pump would produce less heat for a longer period of time. This perception is why many residential systems include supplemental heat. Utilizing ground source water for heating in a baseboard application, though, I don’t think is an option. While this fluid is definitely warmer than the ambient air, it takes the heat pump’s refrigerant cycle to produce heat on the coldest days, and 50°F fluid won’t product heat in a radiant baseboard application.
All that being said, it would be my recommendation to keep your hydronic heating in place as a supplemental heat source, replacing the boiler with a newer, energy efficient model. Implementation of a heat pump system with a good controls system will help the two systems work in harmony and prevent simultaneous operation during changeover months. The heat pump system would be responsible for heating a majority of the time, but during those exceptionally cold days, the radiant heat would help address the peak heating load.
Of course, yes, you would have to retrofit for central forced air to implement a heat pump (if you don’t already have AC), which brings me to another question you need to ask yourself… what are your overall goals for this retrofit? Replace the boiler (at 16 yrs old), add air conditioning, make the system as energy-efficient as possible, or are you just performing an update? All of these questions lend themselves to different system options.
It seems to me that you’re looking for an energy-efficient heating and cooling system, which, for your application of an existing home, would be very expensive to implement a forced air system if you don’t already have one, and of course a geothermal system adds very significant costs of its own as well. Ductless split systems are a good retrofit option to add air conditioning when adding ductwork for a central forced air system is cost-prohibitive. These systems are also energy-efficient with SEER ratings around 14, and cost in the range of $1,000-$1,500 per ton of cooling. Heat pump ductless type split systems are available as well, with some systems allowing for connecting up to four indoor units to one outdoor condensing unit. I’d recommend visiting http://www.oldhouseweb.com/ for more information.
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Wed, 12/28/2011 - 19:38 — Bret (not verified)I own a 5000 sq foot home in western Montana. I built it 10 years ago when propane was inexpensive and installed a propane fired high efficiency boiler and in floor hydronic heating. With current propane prices the system is inordinately expensive to run. I am wondering about the possibility of installing a ground source heat pump that would be the primary heating source for the hydronic system but keeping the propane boiler for supplemental heat. I am in the process of finishing my basement and still have time to install additional piping to outside if needed for a ground source system.
We live on 4 acres so have plenty of space for a ground source system.
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Paul, You bring up some great
Tue, 02/21/2012 - 11:41 — Stephen Lafaille (not verified)Paul,
You bring up some great points. You are correct in being concerned that your current baseboard may not be adequately sized for the lower output water temperature of the geothermal heat pump. Your boiler is most likely delivering 180°F+ hot water to the baseboards. Most geothermal heat pumps only can produce up to 120°F efficiently and at this temperature your current baseboard will put out less heat per linear foot. The question then becomes is it enough heat on a design day to meet the heating load of your house? The good news is that it very well may be as most homes have much more baseboard than they actually need. You will need to have a heat load analysis done on each room to see what the heating requirements are and then compare it to the output of the baseboard at the lower temperature. As a guide conventional baseboard provides an output of 500-600 (Btu/hr)/ft at 180°F depending on flow rate and tube size; when the water temperature is reduced to 120°F, the output is 150-250 (Btu/hr)/ft. I would find a respectable and competent HVAC contractor that can perform a heat load analysis for you. He should also be able to discuss options for including air conditioning which won't be that difficult. Since your geothermal heat pump can produce chilled water in the summer time (even more efficiently than it can heat water in the winter!)you can install a few hydronic fan coil units in critical areas in your home to provide cooling.
As far as a slinkly loop in New England, you may want to think twice unless you are sure there is no ledge in your yard. Most systems that are installed in New England utilize vertically drilled boreholes.
Your other option besides keeping your hydronic system would be to install a geothermal heat pump air system, which as you said would require ductwork to be installed. This may sound like a better option if you learn that your current baseboard will not be adequate with the lower temperature and the geothermal hydronic system will not work. Although I might add installing the high efficiency low-temp baseboard may still be worth looking into as well...
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